4 comments. Go to idleon r/idleon • by Select-Permission-15. If it shows an attack of 1 and a defense of 270, then your crystal has been hit by the bug and you'll get the lousy experience rather than the high amount that you. 141 17K views 1 year ago With crystal countdown and chocolate chip cookie chip the skill leveling is just crazy in the lower maestro levels. Shaman imo start slow but stack dmg super fast and are great late game. 1) is does the crystal countdown reduction go up to the stack x% for each skill or you hit the total x% through all skills and need to level all skills before leveling. Making some more big gains in Legends of IdleOn but the biggest thing I start in this video is crystal farming with crystal countdown to get massive gains on. Sting (Bite in Beast Form): Melee Weapon Attack: +5 to hit, reach 5 ft . Maestro can benefit the most from being played actively. You can use crystal countdown talent of maestro in rats area. Since you are asking you need the basics using what is available in W4. but i'll be damned it i didn't reach 50x. r/idleon. Counts Mining, Smithing, Choppin, Fishing, Alchemy, Catching, Trapping, Construction, and Worship. 5 on Maestro so it shouldn't be necessary and just a matter of time. Crystal countdown When hunting crystals for CC, will hunting anymore crystals will 2% reduction still go to a skill that has already been reduced to max? Let's say I have reduced fishing to the max 50% while the other skills are at 25%, will any further crystal kills count towards fishing even though it's maxed out?The printer is very much worth using. it seemed to provide value to at least a few people, but my life got busy (baby, moving house) and it fell by the wayside. Crystallin stamp. Skilling a maestro is a genuine pain in the ass. Very true. r/idleon • as taxi driver i have sometimes free time, But with Steam Deck and idleon, i will not. ago. r/idleon. Idleon has Constellations which in turn unlock points for dozens of Star Signs which give various buffs to your characters. 1 wizard. You will need a lot of money to push levels so start with the cheap stamps and as you push W5 and get more money use the money to unlock golden statures and push your. This god allows you to have your chars in lab and count for divinity also. For example if you were at 20% health left and After Party was 40%, upon entering the next chamber you will automatically heal to 40. The more advanced and more power you get. Raising that percentage will lower the max experience for x skill by 2% upto that cap. r/idleon • Crystal Countdown explainer?Go to idleon r/idleon • by. 4 Award Favorite Share Your Cornerstone Classes Most of your characters will be. Join. Hit transfusion, just for balloons of course, and pop balloons till the game forgets you never touched the water. Note that there is a cap involved in this skill so a common gameplay loop for Maestro is to actively farm crystals then swap to AFK/active skilling and. After this, i uninstalled that ibelg github engine, and instead installed the cheat engine thats on this forum (the one that. I don't really expect active to compete with offline's multikill. To top it off there's two chips in lab one doubles top left card and the other doubles bottom right for those crystal cards ReplyGo to idleon r/idleon • by. when you hit a level up, your level requirements get reset and you have to kill new crystals for that. Star Signs. Go to idleon r/idleon • by freakyCa. . 5 on Maestro so it shouldn't be. I'm already pretty close to switching to active hunting, robbing my current active mman (doing crystal. My Wizard just got out of the lab for the first time today to get some levels, and I just unlocked an Alchemic pet which should let me get to Arena lvl 125 which will unlock the rest of spices. You want Cmon Out Crystals, Gimme Gimme, Rares Everywhere!, Crystal Countdown, Printer Go Brrr, and Right Hand of Action capped. Posted by 5 hours ago. but good to do. He got talents boosting his xp (still way below characters specializing in the skills) and a talent boosting other people's efficiency if the maestro is highest level. 2) does the reduction stay if you swap talent specs. nicolaj1994 • 2 yr. checked afk stats and it also says card drop rate is "1 in. 5x higher accuracy and does 2. Meditating on the Altar gives the character Divinity EXP and Divinity. Once that timer runs out, it gets easy to kill, and gives no XP (and worse other rewards). Show off cool items you've found, discuss the best builds for each class, and theorize about how to unlock the super secret areas!. There's poop and genie cards, two lab chips that double card bonuses, special talent to boost crystal mob chance, maestro talent to 160 that boost crystal chance, a stamp that boosts crystal mobs, shrine to increase crystal mobs then chaotic boss card that increases the effect of shrines. turn on transufsion and repeat the process. I have a lvl 270 maestro, with lvl 70 fishing as the lowest skill (I didn't abuse the broken crystal countdown, only started farming crystals when I got choc chip) and imo the biggest difference you can influence is having one character active (leave your maestro. So if you afk 10 hours with 1000 kills/hour and a 1/5000 chance, you'd spawn 2 crystal mobs after logging in and getting your gains. Crystal Crabal has 15x HP, gives 30x EXP, requires 2. Only get enough skill levels to equip the best tools on your other chars. Either way, feels like a wasted slot to me. Business, Economics, and Finance. For bubo, the hampters map is pretty good density for poison kills, and it drops an item you need like 3000 of for a bunch of crafting. Stamps. 5x higher accuracy and does 2. I found Odin Eikon is the most broken on due to the fact that Zantetsuken…Demon Genie should be your #1 priority if you want to improve your crystal farming productivity. NEW CONTENT. ago. And you'll want to farm crystals actively with crystal countdown talent if you aren't already. I know it affects smithing when you claim the resources, and it doesn't hurt alch/cons so may as well. . Chocolatey Chip Countdown: 12 Weeks. IdleOn playlist: So yeah. Xp till all can wear the best trap, then pass it around to lock in your chosen gains. r/idleon • 1 yr. mman crystal countdown question . 1. The Real Housewives of Atlanta The Bachelor Sister Wives 90 Day Fiance Wife Swap The Amazing Race Australia Married at First Sight The Real Housewives of Dallas My 600-lb Life Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Crystal Countdown: One of your core talents in an active crystal farming build for the Maestro given it allows you to reduce the experience required to level up your skills with active gameplay. yeah basically with +100% skill efficiency for chars with lower level than maestro you need highest on maestro. Also, he likes to hand out gems and spawn bosses and crystal creatures. Show off cool items you've found, discuss the best builds for each class, and theorize about how to unlock the super secret areas!This is a Bonus Guide and will focus on World 4 - Pet Territories, including Tundra Outback, Crystal Caverns, Pristalle Lake, Nebulon Mantle, Starfield Skies. It doesnt matter >where< you kill, here is the only thing that literally matters. Changes. However, if you are free to play and don't have the gem shop alchemy upgrades, or simply find alchemy harder, it can be worthwhile going for two shamans instead. If you don't have idleon efficiency I recommend getting it because it can tell you with a glance which skills are capped from crystal countdown. for those who dont want spoilers please move on got a question about the maestro skill. So for the carrot man zone the minimum accuracy you'll need to even have the minimum 5% hit chance is 37. Divinity is a passive Skill for World 5 that requires the player to leave characters to meditate on the Altar located in Magma Rivertown. I think its +10% of your current HP Regen per second. Posted by 1 hour ago. These only spawn when you are active, and the bonus to skill XP reduction resets when you level that skill up, so there's not really a need for it to "keep track" of how many you've killed before. You will likely play actively on MMan occassionally for Crystal Countdown. Go to idleon r/idleon •. For example if you have a 30% cap, does that mean each skill is reduced by 30% when capped, or it will reduce skills until that 30% is reached. Equip the two Card doubling W4 Lab Chips Equip Chocolaty Chip W4 Lab Chip (This is a pretty big one) Max out 'Cmon Out Crystals' Talent Max out 'Crystal Countdown' Talent Use the crystal countdown talent. true. For the other cards, you want drop rate, money or XP while active, depending on current goal. • 12 days ago. The only way to afk farm crystals is hitting auto at the bottom and leaving the game on while mman. Brightside are good for rare drops Clammie and Slugma for farming normal drops (Multikill) Biggie Hours, Efaunt, Crystal Cattle/Crabal for EXP Remember, damage only matters for AFK if it pushes you into a new Multikill Tier, so just going for straight up damage isn't always the best. DK is only good at pushing while active due to the large AOE actives he has. After about lvl 30 Every time you gain a level you go punch crystals and the next level gets 2/3 taken care of. r/idleon. card. CryptoEveryday spawns Giant Crystal mobs that drops Time Candies. ex: Lets say your max CC is 60%: -lvl 50, we skill until 40. Description: => + {% Skill EXP Gain for your other characters, if their Skill LV is lower than Maestro's. but yeah, once you have your mining and wc up, the rest of your idleon time will be having maestro *actively farming rams for all eternity. Also might not be a terrible idea if you are j starting out with crystal farming to farm maps that give cards that increase crystal mob spawn chance i. As far as Maestro goes get them active farming if able with as much Crystal spawn chance you can get with Crystal Countdown for faster skill leveling on Crystal mobs you can 1/2 shot. Note that these statues and obols are all in rare bags, so it synergizes with the aforementioned Rares Everywhere talent. Crystal countdown, not sure if keeping the transfusion up 100% of the time is an option for con lol. 1) is does the crystal countdown reduction go up to the stack x% for each skill or you hit the total x% through all skills and need to level all skills before leveling. For Summoner I recommend replacing Zues with Necromancer, replace Ogre with tiny giant, replace Voodoo with Dorothy, replace Fire wizard with Angel, replace Hunter with Slingers, replace Elf with Smith, replace Elizabeth with Tiny giant, replace Bowmaster with Assassin, change bottom castle segment to physical, replace Thor with Edward, replace Burning. . Crystal Island EXP. Type: Usable Hold down to gain 40% EXP in the skill that's shown in the corner of the screen. Crystal countdown works like this, let's say it's a cap of 50%. I would always keep an active card set as well as one for the skill you’re. 27K subscribers in the idleon community. Otherwise setup seems goodBest. Every crystal mob you kill it reduces the total experience required of a random skill by 2% up to a cap. r/idleon. In addition to Crystal Countdown, you also get a metric ton of statues. ReplyYou will level up multiple times if you have banked enough experience, do keep in mind that quest exp drops are capped at your level exp, for example if you need 10,000 exp to level up and you level lock, quests will only drop a maximum of 10,000 exp meaning you will lose out on the max exp for the quest. If you're in a town, you will gain EXP in. Reset it and build for crystal spawning. Business, Economics, and Finance. An active spec warrior can get something like 8x the exp per hour compared to their afk info. Area. r/dndnext • CR question in Call of the Netherdeep (spoilers inside for the book) r/idleon • Optimal Vman Speedrun Visual Guide. The reason for two squires are the refinery bottleneck, and the reason for two barbarians is the fishing bottleneck. -> the only solution is to fill your bag with items you want to collect and drop on the map X. It should take a while to max out your cards like this. The big problem with pushing with him is the 1. If Countdown doesn't change when Shrines get fixed then we'll see a good number of Maestros with a Crystal Spawn chance of 1/45 to 1/39 rather easily. Hello, what's the best way to level up skills like mining with maestro? I got that reduced requirements skill at level 150. Show off cool items you've found, discuss the best builds for each class, and…Maestro skilling: Crystal countdown without lab cookie? I don't have the cookie for the 75% crystal respawn chance yet. Verdict is in: Dice changes every 1/12 of a second and is random. Dread122113 there are a things that increase afk gain: 1) you need 100% acc and defend (with food is always 100%) 2) cards that increase afk gain (Boop (fight afk), c. Many things take months to be done in idleon. Completing trials gives Shimmer that can be spent on different bonuses in Fairy's Shop. Edit: for better understanding, I am trying to get all my Vman skills at the same level, so I can more easily keep track of all the crystal countdown stuff, (fight crystals to reduce all skillreq. Minigames give you a portion of XP based on your afk xp/gain rate. Only way to do it is with crystal countdown talent. I just wanted to confirm does this talent just reduce the exp needed for a random skill after killing crystals. You want to push its W1-3 skills (other than construction) higher than everyone else, so that they can get a huge efficiency bonus for 3d printer sampling. If you have less you'll miss 100% of the time. The Crystal Countdown skill only cares about crystal & giant mobs you kill. Go to idleon r/idleon • by. Equip xp cards, not efficiency or afk gains. Use it for worship, because on mman you want levels not souls. All the rest doesn't need to be capped but more. Type. While you can use a pre-made build, like from Idleon Companion, you will be more effective if you check which talents give more damage and just put points into those. r/ idleon. Go to idleon r/idleon • by. so i was wondering if there's way to target farm reductions. NEW CONTENT. 2) does the reduction stay if you swap talent specs. Hey guys, Feel free to show case your combo, Eikon, equipment setups here. After leaving maestro active overnight or a few hours, he will have gotten the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of exp from crystal countdown. And the candy you have is gonna help a lot too. Bubo is great on most things, so it gets my vote, but some maps, like Glublins and Sand Giants. These monsters have their own loot pool that drops many statues, rare drops from across the world, and give significantly more EXP per kill. for those who dont want spoilers please move on got a question about the maestro skill for the skill Crystal countdown , i have three questions. Players will notice that you can now auto-loot after five seconds rather than fifteen, arrow speed has now been increased, and more. For World 1 its slimes, for World 2 its the CrabCake Map, for World 3 I'd say its the Sir Moustache Map and World 4 I dont know yet. 1) is does the crystal countdown reduction go up to the stack x% for each skill or you hit the total x% through all skills and need to level all skills before leveling. ago. 2 barbarian. Higher Skills = More Damage from Skillage Damage Talent, use Crystal Countdown Talent and farm Crystals, when you reach the cap you can pop Balloons or do Minigames. Show off cool items you've found, discuss the best builds for each class, and theorize about how to unlock…Farming crystal mobs gets a little easier once you're further into the game. No. 5x more damage than the enemies in the area it spawns in. Maximizing Crystal Countdown is the fastest way to level Maestro skills, but if you aren't in a rush, afk skilling can do the job decently well and let you spend your active time on something more useful. At that point its better to farm crystals for CC first to minimize the XP needed for every skill. Currently bugged so a single point gives. 3%. The scroll button is crazy sensitive when trying to browse my ongoing quests! 129. If you are targeting the Crystal mob, then you are getting the AFK. 98= new cap. nolkel. I wouldnt be. Remove any xp boosting prayers and put on Skilled Dimwit and The Royal Sampler for xp reduction. The best place on paper is frogs, they are in large numbers and you need a ridiculous movement speed to kill them all before they respawn. 5x accuracy requirement to have any sort of decent damage. DK is only good at pushing while active due to the large AOE actives he has. Otherwise, as others have said, make sure you're taking full advantage of Crystal Countdown (go two levels at a time: after you max out your CC reduction, level the skill up, then continue levelling it until 33% exp or whatever 100 minus your max CC is. It will make things a lot easier. I have been maxing crystal countdown and then going and leveling up each skill and doing that over and over again, but it seems really slow and kind useless. And does the cap apply for all skills or just for each. That's siiick! Didn't know that. 1x Avast Yar Stamp, 1x 24 HR Time Candy, 5x Dungeon Loot Dice. Reply More posts. You want the genie card and poop card maxed and using the card doubler chips (250% extra crystal spawn chance). At the same time, over night, a logged out AFK warrior will get about 1/3 the exp and. Go to idleon r/idleon • by. Show off cool items you've found, discuss the best builds for each class, and theorize about how to unlock the super secret areas!. data that shows what you need to hit the mob on this map. Yo, I farmed for like 2 days active on my journeyman. Crystal Countdown So I just started farming crystals. Soo I've been grinding up my skill levels on a Voidwalker, and I was wondering is the RNG will be lowered, the more skills have reached their max reduction. if you simply enter any of the Party Dungeon lobby maps (Grandfrogger's Backyard for W1, etc. I'll paste the ones relevant to star talents here for convenience though:. for those who dont want spoilers please move on got a question about the maestro skill for the skill Crystal countdown , i have three questions. r/idleon. e. Aimed to provide players of the game Legends of Idleon with tools to become more efficient. Idleon is a very good and fun game, the first hour or two you will be a little bit overwhelmed but as with. A Guide to Idleon Endgame. ago. Also don't forget after you unlock the maestro active is best and you can get the last few lvls fast with the crystal mobs maestro has a skill that lowers XP req of skills by a cap of 68%+ or so I think it's around 58-68% at 100lvl with that just grind low lvl areas you kill in 1 hit and focus on crystal mob. for the skill Crystal countdown , i have three questions. No idea who god of idleon is, but it may have the same issue depending on how old the builds are. With bhaal being a laser boat and everybody is always talking about the focus crystal, i went ahead and got it. the cookie chip is huge. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Don't forget to crystal countdown in time to fully benefit each level. Looks like your luck just changed. The exact scaling of both. You have to unlock it in the rift if you haven't already(I could be wrong but based on the pic I don't think you have). I was wondering what the most efficient use of the Maestro class was. Let your MMan catch up. More info on discord for that. You'll get another level once you max out CC, then you can keep going to max CC reduction. 2) does the reduction stay if you swap talent specs. Millions, BILLIONS, I don't give a F** LETS GET COOKING!! • Both Smithing cards are now passive by. Idleon Maestro Build Guide (AFK, Active & Skilling) Last Updated on May 23, 2023 by Samuel Franklin Idleon Maestro Build Guide (AFK, Active & Skilling) Learn. Depends on where you are in the game, but the official Idleon discord has a lot of guides and charts for anyone looking to optimize. Maestro: the quintessential class in Idleon, I. If I keep a beginner in the bank, does the drop rate of an easy clue go down or does the "beginner" clue still drop by only bones will appear. , one target. 12. for the skill Crystal countdown , i have three questions. 5x more damage than the enemies in the area it spawns in. The talent reduces the max exp needed to level a skill every time you kill a crystal mob, up to a max. This reduction is semi-permanent, you'll keep whatever % you'd got if you swapped talents, but it resets to 0 once you'd leveled that particular skill. @1 - JMan doesn't have any of the talents that Maestro has (or the strength/power) to really make doing active on him worth your while. The hardest part is the cards. More posts from r/idleon. Just don’t know if you can use the same apprentice 3 times. 5x higher accuracy and does 2. With crystal countdown and chocolate chip cookie chip the skill leveling is just crazy in the lower maestro levels. Re: Legends of Idleon. the Cryosnake zone. by Ruii » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:00 pm. Smith proficiency level reduces material cost. That website is a bit old, but this build tells you what you need. The strat is pretty straight forward, we are going to skill for 2 lvls, we are going to reduce our required xp for 2 lvls, repeat for all eternity. Killerklown1219 • 10 mo. I checked the skill progress before and after each attempt (I wrote it down) but nothing changed the slightest. r/idleon. . 5 (maybe it's rounded up to 38?). Question about a Mae skill. Tools. 89. quite minimal imo. So, the general pattern is to fight actively until you kill enough crystals to drop all 9 to their lowest possible max XP. Additionally, every 50 levels also gives an extra 1%. Smithing. 5x higher accuracy and does 2. the most efficient way of getting that rare item is not by sending only your maestro there to get 1. DK is great so long as its one or two rows. 1 . You can just keep killing crystals until. Maestro gains a lot of skilling levels by killing crystal monsters. Attack: 225 Health: 35000 Acc for 5%: 200 Acc for 100%: 600 Respawn: 40 World: Yum Yum DesertMaestro. r/idleon. 60. There's no elite class for maestro, so the builds on idleoncompanion aren't outdated aside from the fix for crystal cooldown. Most of any class' Damage come from Alchemy Bubbles and Stamps though! The 1st beginner subclass specializes in killing crystal monsters and getting extra loot, it has different. Apple Login. Maestro gains a lot of skilling levels by killing crystal monsters. 65 in 2000 - or about 1 in 548, with both of those talents at 100 points. A lot of old guides recommend rattler, mono, 2x refiller and defender. This is useful for end game maestro players My new crystal farming build. DON'T use it for mining, catching or chopping. Yes, it's Rats. With 38 classes and 600+ unique skills, the possible synergies are endless! Maybe you’ll make a Barbarian Fisherman who catches sea monsters, for your Druid Alchemist. On top of that, he got crystal countdown, reducing the required xp for a skill (w1-w3 skills. To continually do this until my Maestro has a higher. Stacks up to %. Yep I know but its easiest way to find out where is best exp This is true for the most part until you get access to world 3 and totems. IdleOn Big Maestro Skill Gains Crystal Countdown + Choc Chip. The current crystal countdown is still broken considering how many crystals you can kill a minute now with w4 I cap all my skills at 66% in a couple of hours tops Reply In your third skill tab (Maestro tab), there is a skill called Crystal Countdown (CC). r/idleon. 83 - Springtime Seasonal Event • Vman's Cooking talent now displays the actual bonus it gives, and yes, its a BIG number. I was wondering what the most efficient use of the Maestro class was. 4% Mob Respawn. Honestly there’s guides that could tell you better if you search for them. Keep that up. For active, ES doesn't count wormhole kills or else it'd be the obvious winner. 1) is does the crystal countdown reduction go up to the stack x% for each skill or you hit the total x% through all skills and need to level all skills before leveling. Someone in discord made the math yesterday I think, when. Level skills with maestro. I swap them between Skilling and crystal farming for my crystal countdown this makes it to where I’m never not getting active gains at all times. What is your xp/h with this setup? no clue but i lvl up in like 2 hours cause i only play active with this char but afk gains is prob like 400m per hour. I focused on Crystal Countdown one time as a test. e. NOTE: Some items are in the game but not obtainable yet. Next, Maestro flourishes with ACTIVE play. Now I've found another carrot, I have 100% accuracy and am 2shotting the reg mobs on this map, but can't hit or be hit by this crystal one:(. except w4 which ime drops very little if any of the instablab followers. There is a maestro talent called “crystal countdown”. So now I have it maxed and am. Normally you only run into this if you are barely able to fight at the map in question so the crystals are extremely buff, and. I had this, got a crystal carrot to 40% hp then couldn't hit it anymore and it couldn't hit me anymore. U can reach like 1/80 ratio for crystalUnfortunately, Crystal Countdown is bugged so that each skill point spent after the first makes it worse. I usually stick with hunter, the extra fast respawn is great. Farm actively in zones where your Maestro can 1shot mobs and the. The daily water shop Balloon purchases let you focus skills - get the exp low then pop some balloons to start the cycle over again. An example would be the old crystal countdown bug where you could minimise a skills exp requirement by 99% instead of actual % and level up maestro skill fast. If you aren't at Rams in W3 Snowflakes is a good place to farm. Eclipse_Two. Leveling 1~30 is easy with balloons & pearls + transfusion, 30 to 40~45 is still ok with candies. These items can be categorized as follows:Try to finish blunder hills but I started with giga frog and sandy box for more card drop rate the focused on the 3 main stats and accuracy cards for pushing/new characters. Vote. There's also the crystal countdown talent next to it. do NOT afk there, you have to be active to kill/farm crystals. Put just 1 point into crystal countdown, it's bugged and it works the opposite of the description so basically you get the max benefit at just 1 point. for those who dont want spoilers please move on got a question about the maestro skill for the skill Crystal countdown , i have three questions. lets say you initlaly had 55/100 xp needed with 0 CC applied. 2) does the reduction stay if you swap talent specs. Drops Exp requirements for skills. Everytime that power increases you get points from researching. get those multi-resource skills higher and ignore AFK bonuses in favor of efficiency and speed. On top of that, he got crystal countdown, reducing the required xp for a skill (w1-w3 skills. Then active afk is best, make sure you do your minigames too. . So once you start killing crystals itll go down little by little to 55/99->55/98->55/97. ago scislac Crystal Countdown explainer? How exactly does Crystal Countdown work? I can't seem to find any straightforward description. Maestro, jman with it helps build him too because of crystal countdown Reply. Most of my time is spent in the crystal countdown cycle bringing Maestro up to speed. For the other cards, you want drop rate, money or XP while active, depending on current goal. Unlocks three Large Size Fishing Areas with Icefish, Shellfish, Jumbo Shrimp and Caulifish . I've also seen plenty of other drops the wiki attributes to the Crystal Carrot but not local enemies (Gigafrogs), or lists as being significantly more rare. That's a link to my IE. I'm without chip and i'm around 1:70 chance to spawn crystal mobs, with the chip i know you can get at least to 1:20, maybe even higher chance. Minimized nearly all skills (2 or 3 days I think) then used balloons to obtain n3xt skill level for all of them. 1 / 3. Crystal. Instead, take full advantage of Crystal Countdown so you only have to get roughly a third of the exp, and make sure that your other classes only ever afk on skilling for long enough to be able to use the highest tier of tools you can craft. 15% Class EXP when fighting actively. ago. Once you are locked in with the max xp per trap it will remain at that level. Yes, those are the average possible results for the rolls. but i'll be damned it i didn't reach 50x. ago. Go to idleon r/idleon. r/idleon. 1 / 3. Maestro in general has a lot of pros to active play, but investing time into Crystal Countdown is a good use imo. 40. Make sure you dont use the gold ore card as well.